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Thursday, June 6th, 2024 11:34 PM

Install seems to have gone fine, and everything's working--what am I missing?

Reading earlier posts I expected I'd have to make lots of configuration challenges to keep my existing stuff working, but (knock on wood) so far that hasn't been necessary. Very pleasant surprise.

Fiber install was done very carefully and well, took about 3.5 hours all told. BGW320 came to life fine, changing its access code to something memorable and configuring new SSIDs and pws went smoothly. I already had three wireless networks (main, guest, and iot) configured and working well on 3-unit Deco X55 mesh system with a 10.x.x.x IP range plugged into a Spectrum modem, and didn't want to change that when I replaced the Spectrum service with AT&T fiber.

From earlier posts I'd thought it might be necessary to turn on passthrough and avoid double NATting for the Deco system to work satisfactorily, and make lots of other changes, but none of that turned out not to be necessary: I just moved the master Deco's WAN cable from the Spectrum box into one of the 1-gig ports on the AT&T BGW, and blammo, everything worked. As expected, I can see the BGW's 192.168.1.x range from the devices on the Deco's 10.x.x.x network, but not vice versa. I'm keeping the AT&T wifi on basically to use as a guest/backup network.

The native wifi on the BGW is very strong near the device, not so great once one gets into other rooms. I expected that, and it's why I wanted to keep the Deco mesh--I'd installed that to get around the same wifi-reach problem with my previous provider. The Decos are doing wireless backhaul, since I don't have Ethernet in the walls; wireless backhaul so far has worked better than using "2-gig" powerline adapters. I'm paying AT&T for half a gig, getting a solid 650 up and down near the gateway on the first floor and a very respectable 130 or so both ways up on the third floor (the BGW, without extenders, managed only about 20 both ways on the third floor, which actually is quite amazing if you think about it--how quickly we forget that 5 MB/sec used to be wonderful).

I should note that my network needs are modest--no gaming, basically lots of IoT devices, couple TVs, fair bit of streaming and zoom/whatsapp/facetime, 10 or so computers, tablets, and phones. For the moment I've got my landline (yes, I have a landline, deal with it) coming via the BGW, but I'm about to replace that with a Voiply adapter since AT&T landline rates are too high.

My general point is that I just plugged everything else, did only minimal configuration, and everything's working very nicely. Thought folks might want to know that this sometimes happens :-) 

Former Employee

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28 days ago

Nice

Scholar

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28 days ago

From earlier posts I'd thought it might be necessary to turn on passthrough and avoid double NATting for the Deco system to work satisfactorily, and make lots of other changes, but none of that turned out not to be necessary: I just moved the master Deco's WAN cable from the Spectrum box into one of the 1-gig ports on the AT&T BGW, and blammo, everything worked. 

You have a double NAT configuration with the BGW320 and your main Deco's WAN port connected to the BGW320 unless you specifically setup your Deco in AP mode.

Should it work fine for most customers like you, yes as long as you don't have a Game console where you want an Open NAT configuration.

You also should consider reducing the Power level on the BGW320's Wi-Fi to reduce interference with your Deco Mesh system. It is very easy to manage for both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz (each have a Power level setting)

http://192.168.1.254/cgi-bin/wconfig.ha

Dave

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28 days ago

Yup, I understand why I might want to avoid double NAT for some uses, and also that I might have wifi interference. The former isn't an issue for me, and I did a reasonably detailed wifi scan which told me the BGW's wifi wasn't going to be a problem (and I'll certainly depower it or turn it off if things degenerate). At this point the BGW is having trouble getting its signal very far in any case, and it and the Decos seem to be managing themselves well (without any impetus from me they've chosen reasonably separate channels, for example).

ACE - Professor

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27 days ago

Most of us will shutoff the radios in the BGW to avoid unnecessary interference.  You will hopefully come to recognize the benefits of efficiency and configure your Deco into AP mode.  In practical terms your devices will pickup IP addresses in the 192.168.1.64-253 range.  

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27 days ago

I don't especially want to make my ~50 IoT devices viewable to AT&T, and for my purposes (which, remember, don't require gaming-quality responsiveness, or outside address access) the speeds I'm getting even double-NATted are just fine. I don't see any particular advantage, under the circs, to replacing my familar 10.x.x.x address space.

I did experiment with shutting off the BGW radios, though. I ran into the first suite of problems, namely the gateway not actually shutting them off, and then telling me another client had locked access to the configuration screens. When I did manage to turn them off there was almost no discernible change on the Deco networks. I'm in a medium-dense environment (there are about 25 APs visible to my wifi scanner in addition to mine, so not as bad as an office or apartment building but still notable), and so the various wifis all chase each other around looking for unloaded channels, and the BGW doesn't seem to be making things any worse.

Scholar

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27 days ago

I don't see any particular advantage, under the circs, to replacing my familar 10.x.x.x address space.

There really is not an advantage based on your description of your IoT devices and you home Wi-Fi usage. The comment from @gr8sho about the 192.168.1.0 network is just the default for the Gateway's LAN. You are able to customize it to a 10.x.x.x network or even 172.x.x.x.

Dave

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27 days ago

Well, no, AT&T doesn't allow 10.x.x.x on its router, just 196 or 172.

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27 days ago

Since I'm a bit of an empiricist, I did the obvious experiments. BGW wifi radios on, Deco in router mode (so double NAT). Direct wifi connection to BGW wifi (and hence 192.169.1.x address) yields about 610/610, connection via equally close master Deco (that is, the one that's ethernetted to the BGW, so double NAT 10.x.x.x) yields maybe 10-20 less each way. Distant connection via wifi to nearby meshed Deco (but distant from master Deco) yields about 80-90 each way, sometimes up to 150 or so.

First, turned off BGW radios. No noticeable effect. 

Second, switched Deco to AP mode, waited for ~50 clients to get new addresses in 192.168.1.x and AT&T to complete security checks (yes, I turned on Active Armor, we'll delve into that another day). No noticeable effect.

So technically I'm sure that the double NAT and the radio interference have an effect--I'm reasonably adept network-wise, so of course that has to be true. But it's sort of like whether adding salt to water changes the cooking time for spaghetti: physics (or is it chemistry?) says it raises the boiling temperature so the cooking time must be less, but guess what, the difference isn't noticeable.

So long as my use cases don't change, my original comment stands: don't do any fancy configuration (other than naming wifis, of course), plug everything in, and blammo, it works.

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Scholar

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27 days ago

Well, no, AT&T doesn't allow 10.x.x.x on its router, just 196 or 172.

Good pointI forgot AT&T decided to break the rules and steal the 10.x.x.x network in 2012.

Dave

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